Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Raza Haider Shot Dead - and Karachites pay for it

Assalamualaikum

Today was one of those days that can never be safely put at the back of the mind easily. This day and its associated craziness will remain with me for a long time :(... and not for any good reason too.

The day started off badly. Bhanju was staying over, and as usual, the kid wouldn't go back to sleep after waking up around 6.45. Terrible. Lack of sleep and constant patience. That was the morning - and I was blearily thinking of skipping class today. (Why didn't I skip it?)

Feeling very noble, I decided to go ahead with the class. Had to drop sis the priss off at her place, then go to university. We set of out of the house at 5.15pm, crossed Nazimabad area at 5.30 pm... and went on, oblivious to what's going to happen in around 15 minutes time, and what will happen after that. Sis the priss reached home safely, and then I moved towards university, trying not to drive fast (we were getting late. Class starts at 6pm and it was already 6.10). Reached university at 6.15. Went to class. Barely 2-3 slides had gone by, that I felt my phone ringing (and vibrating) in my pocket. It was set on very low tone mode, so only I was annoyed. I ignored it. It kept on ringing... and ringing... and ringing... and I (the STUPID) ignored it, rather, placed it in my bag without looking at it (so engrossed I was in the class). Apparently, I wasn't the only one being bothered by the phone. One other classmate (bless him), got up and went outside to attend the call. He came back and reported to a shocked class that MQM top hierarchy member of Provincial Assembly, Mr Raza Haider has been murdered in Nazimabad area where he was offering Namaz-e-Janaza (funeral prayers) for somebody. He was assassinated along with his guard and another person... they were sprayed with bullets by assailants (in a white car and two motorbikes). They were rushed to the hospital but couldn't survive the assault.


Immediately as we heard this, my teacher shook his head and said 'MQM MPA shot dead? Karachi is closed down for the next 2 days!' - we all had similar sentiments. The major problem was, how to get home. I checked my cellphone then and found out that the desperate calls were from my BIL, TB, who had been trying to tell me to leave university immediately and get home. My Dad had messaged too and asked me to return home immediately. Before I could process all this, our teacher announced that the class is off, since we all had the aim of getting home in our minds and he also lived a little far away.


Me and my friend rushed to the car. Basically, our driver takes us to university but he quit, so I was on my own, with my friend NB. We drove out, and man, you should have seen the scene. :S:S. It looked as if the whole of Karachi has ONE SOLE purpose in mind... to HURRY home :S. Everybody looked worried, disheveled, talking on the phone, urgently trying to steer their cars in any available space possible. The traffic was mad. We tried a route, but police had blocked it because ''aagay hungama horaha tha'' - hearts beating fast, we took a U-turn and Allah ka naam lay kar, got inside some gallies (lanes) hoping that they would steer us to the main road. Man... :S.


The lanes were teeming with cars which had entered them in the hope of avoiding the main road which was blocked (where we had come from). The next few minutes are a blur. *I still remember I felt like ''Okay Allah Ta'ala, it's time to come to You I think" :S. As we went from lane to lane, all our sense of direction lost, we entered another big lane, and the scene which greeted us was nothing short of , er, a lil comical. People were running towards us. FAST. I stared at them in shock. My mind conjured up ''hey, they're playing cricket and making runs!" explanation (I know, how stupid!). These people were accompanied by cars and motorbikes which were RUSHING towards us. ALL of them shrieked us ''Wahan kahaan jarahay hain? Halaat biger gayy hain... Bhaagain!!'' ... (Why are you going over there? The situation is BAD. RUN!). I hurriedly turned the car, expecting bullets to land straight in me, and speedily rushed with the flow of traffic. To heck with direction. We needed to get away from this place... and fast!


Finally, we reached another main road, then found the correct turning (of an alternate route), found out that we're on the correct (and safe) route, by the huge number of vehicles there... inched our way slowly through the traffic... Drove for more than 1.5 hours, crossed huge huge jams, and finally reached home.

Alhamdulillah. I was among the lucky ones. There were people who were stranded besides CNG stations because their cars were out of fuel and CNG stations were all closing down. All shops were closed and even street lights were off. People looked scared and in a hurry to get home. It was dark, lonely and terrifying. The city of ''lights'' ... ha!

All throughout this terrifying drive, I kept getting calls from home, messages and calls from TB and instructions of what to do and which relatives are available for me to go to. I just wanted to get home! And when I did, I saw mum on jaa-e-namaz... (it was well over Maghrib time!) and Chotpo hadn't even prayed because she was waiting to open the door so I could drive in the house and wouldn't have to get out and open the gate (aww). They were sooooooooooo worried. I was amazed to see many calls and messages being done by my family simply to convey ''Haan, Uni is home! Yeah she's here now... etc etc" (*sniffles*, I'm so ungrateful).

But things didn't get better of course. The citizens of Karachi have to pay for that MPA's assassination. All of the subsequent 39 victims (yes, that's the death toll now in Karachi in the aftermath of the MPA's killing).. I'm 1998765% sure, had NOTHING to do with his death. But they were killed too. What was their fault? I wonder.

Around 25 vehicles have been torched in Karachi as well. There are reports of firing incidents going on late into the night. And my mum just reported that Rehman Malik has given statements like "We knew these terrorists were going to attack this man, and we knew this and that.. and we know that at his funeral prayer, there is going to be a suicide bombing.'' !!!!! He knows! But does he DO something about what he knows?

The previous city government boasted a lot about a certain command and control centre which is supposedly able to capture video of any activity going on (arson, shooting etc). But so far, that C&C centre hasn't proved to be useful. There may be a load of command, but there is absolutely NO control.

I pray for the family of the slain MPA and the families (plural :@) of the people who have been shot in the aftermath. The city of Karachi remains in mourning, and Pakistan as a whole too, if it's not plane crashes, and floods, then it's terrorism and it's associated mayhem and bloodbath, while the country's leader remains happily on a trip to Europe *clenches her fists*

God Help us.

18 comments:

the said...

Its target killing of shias all over Pakistan and government doesn't do anything yet to me it seems like they want to kill shias in Pakistan. I am sure that they are not going to find the killer or find any fanatic jahil mullah behind this sad and hideous crime that took place. if Pakistan can't take can't do anything then heck with Pakistan too many people that would streered this jahil country to the right path.... mohsin naqv\ parveen shakir irfan haider abidi n so on so forth all educated people were killed because of stupid spae sahaba shameon them they r the real terrorists kill al of the mullahs in pakistan Ull have a great until I feel bad for everyone living in Pakistan ....

majworld said...

its really sad that khi is going thru this..really tough for khi people :(..hope all gets better and allah apna karam kre hum sb per.ameen

Uni said...

@the (er, the?)
Yes, it surely is target killing of shias, but apart from that, it is also target killing of innocent people. Just look at how many people died in the aftermath of Haider Raza's death? The present government seems oblivious and those who could actually control the streets were all disappeared from their duty!!
If it's not a pre-planned well carried out blood bath, then what else is it.. :'(

Well, we only have Rahman Malik's word on this Sipah Sahaaba blame thingie. And we all know how 'solid' his word really is. So I wouldn't go with any explanation HE spews.

The fact is that people have died. And are still dying in Karachi. Ordinary citizens are sitting scared out of their wits in their homes. Exams have been cancelled. Kids weren't able to go to their 2nd day of school... and all we are witnessing are more firing incidents and more bodies piling up. The death toll right now has climbed up to 45.

May Allah Help us.

@majworld
It's an 'aafat' (calamity) really. First the plane crash, then the huge flood and humungous loss of life, and now the continum of target killings. You know, an ANP man was also shot dead yesterday in the aftermath of Haider Raza's assassination. We didn't see any reactionary killings (totally up to around 50 people) after HIM - what does that amount to?

The terrorists are targetting one ethnic group right now (based on speculations and nothing else). I wonder how many people they're going to kill before acting on their leader's orders of 'sabr' :@

Thanks both for dropping by!

Ahmar said...

Reading through and imagining the situation after you tried to rush home from class, thank God, you reached home safe and sound...
And this government and Rehman Malik's statements are useless :@..
May Allah improve the situation of the country, and the people affected by flood, and these target killings and post killings random killing..:(

Anonymous said...

All the natural calamities and the target-killings and the bloodbath of the aftermath, all the deaths, they happened just at the time they had to. No single person died a moment before or a moment after he had to die!! So if it was not floods, it would have been a disease, but the numbers wont be smaller or higher, they would have been just equal.. (May Allah bless the souls of all those innocent people who died)..

All of that is beyond our control. And what is beyond our control, IS something we cannot do anything about...

And so the problem really is NOT the amounts of deaths that occurred. The problem lies where things are in our control. It is in our control to protest against the government's lack of seriousness to establish law and order. It is in our control to fight against the puppet rulers. It is in our control to demand law and justice for the people who are bereaved and have lost their loved ones. It is in our control to work to establish a political order wherein people's rights aren't violated, people don't have to involve themselves in bribery, people don't have to commit crimes at each step of their lives, where corruption is taken to court and law is respected... That is in our control. To be successful in this endeavour is not in our control, but to TRY is in our control.

And the problem precisely is that, we, the masses, the people who are ignorant of the strengths they possess, have given up. We have surrendered to the corrupt political system. The problem really is that instead of trying to change the system by fighting against it, we have clinged to the false belief that only prayers to Allah will somehow change the situation. The problem really is that we are scared of death and lack of food, and we have forgotten that these things occur no later and no earlier than the destined time and no more and no less than the destined amount.

And since we don't have the courage to stand up against evil, things are only likely to get worse with every passing day!

Uni said...

@Ahmar
Alhamdulillah, indeed it was a blessing that I did return home within two hours of setting out. There were people who couldn't return till late hours of night. So Allah ka boht shukkar hay.

Ameen to your duas.

Thanks so much for dropping by!

Uni said...

@Anonymous
I totally have ''eemaan'' (faith) in Divine Decree, that is to say, that everything like birth, death, sickness etc happens when it has to, and nothing we do can change these events (although, duaa can change taqdeer, you know). But to watch these killings and point out that these were MEANT to happen and hence they happened, is beyond me. Which I'm sure you agree with too. If it wasn't target killing, the person would have passed away somehow else. All right. BUT that doesn't condone the people who killed the MPA and the reactionary killing which saw 45 people dead in Karachi. The action of murder was VERY MUCH in people's control and that is what I'm lamenting about.

I agree, protesting and doing something constructive about it (not complaining only) is what's in our control, but then again, I'll say that murder is what's in control too. Hence, the number of people murdered in this city... counts. If they had all died naturally, then it would have been a different story. But they didn't. They were shot dead. All of them.

So yeah, we should TRY our best. But where I come to a standstill is... HOW? How do I try to er, influence the government? That's a laughable idea really. However the masses feel about Asif Ali Zardari, has it stopped him from going on that UK and France tour (with his kids!!!)? No it hasn't. So I would really appreciate if you can highlight how exactly can a common man protest, make his/her voice heard (except the regular online blogging world). Well, I also agree that prayers ALONE do not solve the problem. But then, what exactly do we do? See the problem here?

When people are given the task to help out when calamity strikes (earthquake, the floods, plane crash etc), and when proper relief efforts are organized, the number of people who volunteer their time and services is astonishing. Why? Because they are clearly told what to do and they clearly know how to help. In this case, I'm in the dark and believe me, I'd appreciate some guidance here.

Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

When people are given the task to help out when calamity strikes, the number of people who volunteer their time and services is astonishing. You know why that is? That is because helping the calamity-struck people is not a life-long commitment, it is not hard to do, and it involves absolutely no risk of death or threat to family/security etc.. To challenge the status quo of the people in power is different. And not many people would volunteer their time and effort for that .. why? because they are scared ..

That's the point ..

To lament the murders on an individual level, or to help the victims of a calamity on an individual level etc are wonderful things. But these are temporary deeds of goodness that only help to satisfy one's instinct of humanitarian love/support .. it doesn't solve the root problem .. it only mitigates the symptoms to the problem .. like a pill of fever given to someone hit with some cancer (or other big disease) .. the pill might keep the fever away but doesn't cure the cancer ..

The cancer to our society really is the corrupt political system. And every other problem that we see (illiteracy, poor medical facilities, corruption, law and order, unemployment, inflation, drugs, class disparity, zero industrial growth etc etc) has its roots in the political system. Now to try solving the problem by using safe risk-free ways like opening a free-of-cost educational institute, or charitable hospital, or an institute for curing drug addiction etc will never really solve the problem. Because to provide free education, medical care, to ban drugs etc is the job of the government and a mere individual's effort in trying to solve the problem wont solve the problem.

So since the problem is political, its solution too has to be political!!! We can take the example of our prophet PBUH (very cautiously) too. He could have merely asked individuals to implement islam on their six-foot bodies, (like the tableeghi guys say), that would be much safer for the Prophet to do .. And it won't have raised the eyebrows of the leaders in Makkah at all. But the prophet posed a threat to those leaders because he challenged the people in power. His struggle from the beginning was against the established system. And he managed to establish an alternative system only through political struggle, without the use of violence, though he had to face alot of violence against himself and his followers. Now you might tell me not to try applying the solution of a 1400 year old setup into the present setup. But in my opinion things are not much different.

So I am not telling the common to protest only. That might be a means to the solution but the real solution is to work in an organized manner to establish the correct political system .. Now the question arises: What is the correct political system? If you are not aware I will leave that up to you to research yourself! But democracy, dictatorchip, capitalism, communism etc islam doesnt have space for any of these things. Our Imams (Abu Hanifa and others) have detailed in their books about how the political system in Islam works. And that is what we've gotta work to establish. And that is what takes courage. Ant that is where then the problem lies!

majworld said...

Hope allah bless us all and our country.ameen..sad situation :(

Uni said...

You know why that is? That is because helping the calamity-struck people is not a life-long commitment, it is not hard to do, and it involves absolutely no risk of death or threat to family/security etc..

Er, I would disagree with that. At the time of the 2005 earthquake, many volunteers were in places like Balakot, Mansehra and there were aftershocks etc. So not really 100% safe.

Well, yes. People are scared. They are scared of even speaking out (you should see the number of times I get reprimanded by family for writing 'openly'). But they are also confused (if they're not scared).

Now you might tell me not to try applying the solution of a 1400 year old setup into the present setup. But in my opinion things are not much different.

No. I wouldn't say that at all. Why? Because I said earlier that I have 'eeman' in certain things. SO if I AM a Muslim, and that means believing in Allah, the Prophet (SAW), the Book, the Last Day and more, then that means that I know that what was sent down 1400 years ago, is still valid today (why would I believe in it otherwise, if it weren't applicable to this life). But we've taken selected stuff from Islam to implement those in our lives today (MOST of them individually). Collectively, the system remains unIslamic... and I agree, the way you can bring about some change is to actively try and change the political system implemented today.

The question now is: HOW?

Even if I know the model (the tiny details of which, exactly I don't actually - simply because I haven't read that much unfortunately)... then what? I am still me! Singular...

And yes, all the political models today aren't valid in Islam (you missed out monarchy). Even if I know this, I feel helpless because I have no idea how to GO about doing this huge task.

The youth of today, believe me, they're too preoccupied by a load of distractions. If it's not studies, it's coaching. If it's not coaching, it's TV, if its not TV, then it's social networking, and if thats all subtracted, the only time left is for eating and sleeping!! We're trapped in this vicious cycle day and night.

Anyhow, I appreciate your suggestions. But as always, I'm stuck as to WHAT PRACTICALLY should be done to change the system. Believe me, I don't even have peers who would WANT to go into discussion of this nature. SO much for collective action :S..

Thanks for dropping by!

@majworld
Ameen :(. The death toll is now 54.

Anonymous said...

The question now is: HOW?

The answer is: "The method adopted by the Prophet to bring about the change." And I was not talking about the political system when I referred to 1400 year-old solution, I was talking about the method by which the Prophet brought about the change in the sytem. Islam not only gives you principles of running the state affairs and other affairs (through the example of our Prophet in Medina), Islam also tells you HOW to work against the established corrupt system to replace it with the correct system (through the example of our Prophet in Makkah).

You see, the Makki life was larger in duration than the Madani life. During his prophethood years in Makkah, he was only able to convince very few people. His Seerah tells us that whenever you struggle against the system, you will be persecuted, you will be banned, your followers will be executed, and you will not be able to gather much support. But the method is to stay patient, to stay determined, to culture the people who are with you, to expose the corruption of those in power, and to stay non-violent. There are many many other things. And the Seerah tells you the exact steps of HOW to go about it and what you will face on your way.

But the question is: Is any of us ready to take up this challenge? Are we ready to accept that this reality is not different from the reality of our prophet in Makkah? Are we ready to stand up against the established order?

If you really are sincere in your pursuit, and you are firm in your belief, and you are strong in your determination, and you don't care about what the world says, and you believe that the end of life is by Allah's decree, and the rizq you and your children will be provided is by Allah's decree too .. then you will find that there are clear methods, clear directions, and sincere groups of people working on those lines ..

May Allah guide all of us towards the greater solution of our only problem!!

Uni said...

But the method is to stay patient, to stay determined, to culture the people who are with you, to expose the corruption of those in power, and to stay non-violent.

*deeeep sigh*

Well, yes. There are these methods. And they have been adopted by various individuals/religious parties (e.g Farhat Hashmi, Dr Israr Ahmed etc) and no doubt, this is an effective method... but you know what? They only strive for individual change. And it may be effective in improving or changing a person from within. But what they don't concentrate on is how to act in collectivity in matters of the state. They have separated themselves from the state and they use the same logic you're using that the early days of Muhammad (pbuh) were completely politics-free, so no dabbling in anything related to matters of the state.

You don't find any opposition to them *rueful smile* and you also don't find any active concern of the corrupt/other people in power, against such parties. They work within their niche and they don't (nor they ever plan to) ever come out of that niche.

I had kinda hoped you were talking about coming out that niche. But khair, to each his/her own.

Thanks for dropping by.

Anonymous said...

But the method is to stay patient, to stay determined, to culture the people who are with you, to expose the corruption of those in power, and to stay non-violent.

Yes, I missed the very important step here. You are very right in getting me wrong. I am not talking about the niche of Farhat Hashmi and Dr Israr Ahmed. I AM talking about an organized collective political struggle, not a strife for individual change .. and I am not of the view that early days of the Prophethood were completely politics-free (the first three years being an exception) .. Rather the adjective most suitable for his struggle is the word 'political' ..

And I am talking about an active political struggle in which the objective from the beginning is clear in minds and hearts of all people .. that is, to replace the current system with the correct system .. a struggle which poses threat to the present system .. the method and the group I am talking about can not be discussed here explicitly .. because I do not want to take the name of a banned political organization on your blog .. and so I would refrain from adding further to the discussion ..

I appreciate your sincerity and interest in the quest for real change .. not many people around are so interested in this discussion ..

And I am sure when you come across the political organization I am talking about you will be more than convinced with their method and will IA contribute in this struggle ..

Anonymous said...

And there aren't many organizations in Pakistan who are banned despite of being non-violent! So you can guess about them easily or search them out over the internet! This organization is working in more than 40 countries to unite the muslims all over the world.. their struggle is purely intellectual and political .. they have superb depth of understanding of Islam as well as the current global politics .. and they are banned in Pakistan for the clear reason that if they were not banned or blacked out in the media, it wont take long for them to bring about the change --- A change that the ruling elite never wants to get materialized ..

Uni said...

@Anonymous
Well, good to know that you're not just talking about tableegh-without-any-action model... but the fact remains: How can a banned political organisaton be useful to a common man, sitting in the country, where that organisation is banned?

We had a speaker from this organisation in our university - and he was a convert, came from umm, Netherlands or Chile (not sure). He talked about Guantanamo, and a lot of other stuff. He knew a LOT, and we were all amazed. As always, I was the only one who asked him .. "But tell us, what practically can WE do? And the answer was: learn more and more about Islam and try to spread it... *sigh* (as if THAT's going to happen on an individual level, and well, if it does, that simply means back to that niche!).

We also had a protest arranged by this group and all the university students were asked to participate. Everybody thought that the protest was about ... the Gaza invasion (2008), but apparently, it wasn't. Since the slogans chanted were different. Suffice to say, we all felt a lil miffed.

I don't doubt that this organisaton's members will be having a 'superb understanding of Islam' and their niyyat will be good, but what I'm concerned about is again (I keep taking things back to the common man level)... the perspective of the common man. What the common man will think when looking at this organisation's description, related news etc is:

1. Why are they banned?
2. Why do they get arrested?
3. Do they do wrong things?
4. Why do one branch of theirs say different things while the other says different stuff?


(You see? The doubt creeps in anyway).. and one is advised strongly by all concerned to 'stay away from such organisations, because what they will do is lure you in, and you'll end up in jail, while their leaders will be free'

(Note, I'm not accusing anybody, just giving you a perspective).

And the sad fact is: that the people-being-arrested-while-the-leaders-aren't phenomenon has happened in this group too.

So who is right, who is wrong... is just so murky. I (sitting here and blogging) have no zariya (means) of establishing any credibility and truth value of the information that comes in front of me... So who do I trust?

Lastly, one question please: Why is Tayyip Erdogan (Turkey PM) a 'traitor'? (Somehow, I always found him somebody who as a Muslim, takes a stance on some matters, if not all).

JazakAllah for the input. My quest continues, then.

Anonymous said...

How can a banned political organisaton be useful to a common man, sitting in the country, where that organisation is banned?

Well, tomorrow if the government bans wearing hijab, and then an organization campaigns to protect the rights of hijab-wearing women, and the government bans that organization too, what will you do? Will you support the organization or will you not support only because you are afraid of being a part of a banned organization? Now you might think that it is an irrelevant example. Actually it isn't. To rule according to the principles of Islam is a Farz just as wearing hijab is. Allah says in Surah-Al- Mai’dah Ayah 44: “Those who do not govern with what Allah has revealed, they are the disbelievers.” And this Farz is so important to the common man because a non-islamic rule may stop the common man from the performance of other Faraiz and may involve him in performing many things that are Haram. Establishing the rule of Allah is, at times, called by big scholars as "Umm-ul-Faraiz". I wont go into detail of that. To keep myself limited to the topic, I wind up the answer by asking you: Do you think the government would ever allow a political organization to operate freely if the government is genuinely afraid that the organization has the potential to mobilize the masses and to get into the power and to replace the farce of democracy with their adoption of the Islamic political system?

I keep taking things back to the common man level... the perspective of the common man. What the common man will think when looking at this organisation's description, related news etc is ...

The common man ... (I don't want to sound condescending here .. cuz I understand that the common man doesn't have time to think about what is going on up on the umpteenth floor -- that's the job of the blessed few who are given the intellect and the time to think .. so the common man is not at fault here) .. If the common man was so intelligent and so aware of what is right and what is wrong, do you think we would even be having a discussion like this in this thread ..

1. Why are they banned?

I told you the reason above .. In Pakistan, they do not need a legitimate reason to ban a peaceful organization from working .. they are in the USA and they are not banned, they are in the UK and they are not banned, they are in Indonesia and they aren't banned .. The Gordon Brown government was forced many a times to ban this organization but everytime he was asked he said: "We are keeping a close eye on their activities, and we didn't find a legitimate reason to ban them from working."

2. Why do they get arrested?

Because they are banned. Simple as that!

3. Do they do wrong things?

There is not a single reported incident against them that would be called 'wrong' by any legal/religious definition of 'wrongness'.

Anonymous said...

4. Why do one branch of theirs say different things while the other says different stuff?

Every single member (and when I say member I mean a person recognised by the party as a "member", you don't become a member to this organization just-like-that, there are many who appear to be the members but they aren't, they are sometimes what is called by this organization, "daaris") throughout the world has one way to speak.. has one message to deliver.. and one position on every issue, big or small .. It is surprising how you were able to find any contradiction ..

and one is advised strongly by all concerned to 'stay away from such organisations, because what they will do is lure you in, and you'll end up in jail, while their leaders will be free'

Now I am not trying to glorify the organization by making them parallel to the Prophet ... but what do you think the people of Makkah used to tell to their children and to those who hadn't interacted with the Prophet? Everybody was told to stay away from him, because what he will do is lure you in, and you will end up being a son fighting your own father or a brother fighting your own brother! And why do you think his followers were punished by the Makkan people? Why do you think very few people joined him in his struggle in Makkah? ....

The point is, that you too have a brain, and MA se, a very blessed one! You have been blessed by the knowledge of Islam .. you can differentiate right and wrong .. then who are you afraid of? Go talk to them, find the truth, judge them by every criteria you have for what is right and wrong!

And the sad fact is: that the people-being-arrested-while-the-leaders-aren't phenomenon has happened in this group too.

Now, are you comparing these leaders to Fazl-ur-Rahman and Altaf Hussain type things .. gimme a break .. If you are not aware of the fact, let me enlighten you: the leaders of this organization are so much sought by the intelligence agencies that they have to keep themselves under cover .. and such incidences have taken place where very senior members of the party too got arrested .. the reason why the leaders don't usually get arrested is because the party works with all the usual precautions that keep the agencies away .. and if the agencies are ever lucky to get their hands on the leaders they wouldn't let them go .. ! Do you see a difference here between the usual leaders and these leaders ..?

So who is right, who is wrong... is just so murky. I (sitting here and blogging) have no zariya (means) of establishing any credibility and truth value of the information that comes in front of me... So who do I trust?

Trust your intellect and the criteria sent down to you by Allah .. that's all I can say .. If you do this, you won't have to be embarrased in the Hereafter in front of your Lord!

Why is Tayyip Erdogan (Turkey PM) a 'traitor'? (Somehow, I always found him somebody who as a Muslim, takes a stance on some matters, if not all).
Will get back to you on this.

Uni said...

How can a banned political organisaton be useful to a common man, sitting in the country, where that organisation is banned?

Well, tomorrow if the government bans wearing hijab...


Umm :). My statement didn't mean exactly, to what you replied. I'll clarify. I meant, that if person A wants to know about organisation B, and organisation B happens to be banned in person A's country, then the people of organisation B won't be accessible to person A - cuz they're banned! So what use is organisation B to the person A?

Now did you get it?

The Hijab example isn't very relevant because see, hijaab is a fardh. If the government started banning that, I'd protest that and hence, be part of any group that protests that ban. That's like... a given! But currently, the government isn't stopping me from practising religion (and that doesn't at all mean I'm all for democracy! I do not support slave governments).

So Shariah-based government is something very practical, and a great alternative to the existing system. Exactly how the Caliphate worked (which ended with the Ottomans). But the questions that arise here (again, not arguing, just presenting a perspective) are:

1. Have all details of the alternate system been worked out?
2. Is the structure of the system, implementable (hierarcy of posts/designations).
3. How does the Shariah based political system planning to deal with other countries (since almost all countries will be surely be all of a dither regarding this).
4. The predictions of the last Day's signs (like what The Arrivals/other books, videos show - e.g electronic currency): How does the Shariah-based system planning to deal with established traditions that do not really predict monetary dealing in gold/silver ??
5. Non violence is propagated, but what if (and very probably so) the existing people in power do not want to change the status quo... conflict is there!

um, etc etc.

Do you think the government would ever allow a political organization to operate freely if the government is genuinely afraid that the organization has the potential to mobilize the masses and to get into the power and to replace the farce of democracy with their adoption of the Islamic political system?

Sure. I get this. But the weird fact is the USA, UK haven't banned it. Why Pakistan??

There is not a single reported incident against them that would be called 'wrong' by any legal/religious definition of 'wrongness'.

Erm. Okay, maybe that's your opinion. (I'm still not arguing, just telling you a general perspective)... news reports say otherwise. I know the news reports rarely narrate the true story, but the allegations and arresting incidents (based on those allegations, and not cuz they're banned) have taken place.

It is surprising how you were able to find any contradiction ..
Read somewhere. Seemed like a credible article. (probably should blog about it).

but what do you think the people of Makkah used to tell to their children and to those who hadn't interacted with the Prophet?
Yeah, I understand that. But again!! From a third-person's (Im sick of saying 'common man':) ) .. perspective, there is no reliable BASIS on which he/she can believe/disbelieve this claim! No testing method. How can a conclusion be reached bhui.

Hope you understand the confusion. JazakAllah for dropping by!